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	<title>Comments on: An experiment that would make Walter Lippmann cringe</title>
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		<title>By: Howard Owens</title>
		<link>http://jasonkristufek.com/2008/09/08/an-experiment-that-would-make-walter-lippmann-cringe/comment-page-1/#comment-95</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard Owens</dc:creator>
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		<description>This post was circulated back to me and I&#039;ll offer some updates/responses.

Since I last wrote about Lippmann in my blog, I&#039;ve read two of his books (in the middle of a third now), and three books about him.  My view of Lippmann has become much more nuanced.

Yes, he was an elitist, possibly the first Eastern Media Liberal Elite.

But he was also very concerned about the future of democracy when public opinion could be so easily swayed.

He wanted to see a professionalized media not so much, however, that they might join the elites, but so they might be smarter about their work.

He wanted a more objective media, but not objectivity as we know it today. He would be appalled at the idea that reporters can&#039;t express opinions and all sides must be presented.  To him, objectivity meant the scientific examination of facts and evidence and drawing educated conclusions.

What I&#039;ve learned about Lippmann, in fact, is that he would very much agree with our journalistic goals with The Batavian (I&#039;ll leave it to others to judge how well we execute in that model).

To my friend and colleague Ken Johnson&#039;s point -- Lippmann remains very much relevant to journalism today.  He is profoundly the most influential thinker on modern journalism.  While many blame/credit him for today&#039;s objective journalism, and as I point out, what we have today isn&#039;t what he meant at all, he is the one most responsible for raising journalism from a craft to a profession (for good or ill). His influence on political thinking in this country is so vast that it largely goes unnoticed today.

As for the issue of making money:  I&#039;m optimistic about the plan and model we&#039;re developing.  I think we have a great chance to be profitable, but it&#039;s going to take work to get there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post was circulated back to me and I&#8217;ll offer some updates/responses.</p>
<p>Since I last wrote about Lippmann in my blog, I&#8217;ve read two of his books (in the middle of a third now), and three books about him.  My view of Lippmann has become much more nuanced.</p>
<p>Yes, he was an elitist, possibly the first Eastern Media Liberal Elite.</p>
<p>But he was also very concerned about the future of democracy when public opinion could be so easily swayed.</p>
<p>He wanted to see a professionalized media not so much, however, that they might join the elites, but so they might be smarter about their work.</p>
<p>He wanted a more objective media, but not objectivity as we know it today. He would be appalled at the idea that reporters can&#8217;t express opinions and all sides must be presented.  To him, objectivity meant the scientific examination of facts and evidence and drawing educated conclusions.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;ve learned about Lippmann, in fact, is that he would very much agree with our journalistic goals with The Batavian (I&#8217;ll leave it to others to judge how well we execute in that model).</p>
<p>To my friend and colleague Ken Johnson&#8217;s point &#8212; Lippmann remains very much relevant to journalism today.  He is profoundly the most influential thinker on modern journalism.  While many blame/credit him for today&#8217;s objective journalism, and as I point out, what we have today isn&#8217;t what he meant at all, he is the one most responsible for raising journalism from a craft to a profession (for good or ill). His influence on political thinking in this country is so vast that it largely goes unnoticed today.</p>
<p>As for the issue of making money:  I&#8217;m optimistic about the plan and model we&#8217;re developing.  I think we have a great chance to be profitable, but it&#8217;s going to take work to get there.</p>
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		<title>By: How to make money on a digital-only community site &#171; Jason Kristufek&#8217;s We Media blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>How to make money on a digital-only community site &#171; Jason Kristufek&#8217;s We Media blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] last post talked about an experiment in Batavia, NY, by Gatehouse Media, where a media company launched a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A question: Why would a digital-only operation &quot;not operate under any rules or constraints&quot;, regardless of the ownership? There are rules and constraints inherent in any system. Yes, in a digital system there are not the daily deadlines that must be met to put ink on paper and get it delivered; the product is so fluid there are no physical constraints or minimum requirements for story length or structure; there are not limits on contributors (all can be involved, in theory).

Echoing BJ&#039;s comment, there are constraints on how much text/commentary any audience will read ordigest (time/interest especially), on the audience itself, on access to the technology. And maybe it&#039;s just me, but the  annonymnity of screen names is a tad scary. That is not a constraint exactly, but is a barrier to participation for some, and a way of lowering the bar on discourse that could undercut the whole point of the experiment.

Certainly this format could be a much more interesting job for reporters - to not be tied to the news hole, to engage directly with the community in new ways. And people do love to see themselves published... will that be enough to create the level of engagement needed to succeed?

There is one more big question that needs to be answered - how does it make money? People would be far more likely to have an expectation of compensation for contributions than to have to pay for the privlidge of participation, yes? And even a couple of staffers and computers would need funding, and at some point would have a responsibility to become a contributor to EBITDA. We have a responsiblity to do more than just build it and hope they will come... how could a site like this serve the other, and equally important, constituency - local advertisers? The paper has been the meeting place for the community and local businesses for 125 years. We will need to be just as innovative in creating, er, fostering, the buyer/seller community as we are in creating new forms of journalism.

What fun we are going to have in the next few years making these things happen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A question: Why would a digital-only operation &#8220;not operate under any rules or constraints&#8221;, regardless of the ownership? There are rules and constraints inherent in any system. Yes, in a digital system there are not the daily deadlines that must be met to put ink on paper and get it delivered; the product is so fluid there are no physical constraints or minimum requirements for story length or structure; there are not limits on contributors (all can be involved, in theory).</p>
<p>Echoing BJ&#8217;s comment, there are constraints on how much text/commentary any audience will read ordigest (time/interest especially), on the audience itself, on access to the technology. And maybe it&#8217;s just me, but the  annonymnity of screen names is a tad scary. That is not a constraint exactly, but is a barrier to participation for some, and a way of lowering the bar on discourse that could undercut the whole point of the experiment.</p>
<p>Certainly this format could be a much more interesting job for reporters &#8211; to not be tied to the news hole, to engage directly with the community in new ways. And people do love to see themselves published&#8230; will that be enough to create the level of engagement needed to succeed?</p>
<p>There is one more big question that needs to be answered &#8211; how does it make money? People would be far more likely to have an expectation of compensation for contributions than to have to pay for the privlidge of participation, yes? And even a couple of staffers and computers would need funding, and at some point would have a responsibility to become a contributor to EBITDA. We have a responsiblity to do more than just build it and hope they will come&#8230; how could a site like this serve the other, and equally important, constituency &#8211; local advertisers? The paper has been the meeting place for the community and local businesses for 125 years. We will need to be just as innovative in creating, er, fostering, the buyer/seller community as we are in creating new forms of journalism.</p>
<p>What fun we are going to have in the next few years making these things happen!</p>
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		<title>By: Notes from a Teacher: Mark on Media &#187; The word for the day&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Notes from a Teacher: Mark on Media &#187; The word for the day&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and some related matters, later. Meanwhile, to get caught up, go read Doug Fisher, Scott Karp, Jason Kristufek and Howard [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Mastio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Mastio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am moving back to Iowa in the next few months and have started some discussions about local news sites for Iowa. Though we haven&#039;t talked about Iowa City yet, maybe we should start the conversation and see where it goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am moving back to Iowa in the next few months and have started some discussions about local news sites for Iowa. Though we haven&#8217;t talked about Iowa City yet, maybe we should start the conversation and see where it goes.</p>
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		<title>By: B.J. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>B.J. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a corridor dweller and otherwise interested party, I&#039;d love to see someone try this. In particular, I&#039;d like to see what it takes to get people in a place like I.C. to participate when there are so many other opportunities for them to get/share information and occupy their time and brains. I&#039;m thinking that whoever is willing to empower citizens the most is going to win in this sort of enterprise. Coincidentally, I posted some questions about this concept just a few hours ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a corridor dweller and otherwise interested party, I&#8217;d love to see someone try this. In particular, I&#8217;d like to see what it takes to get people in a place like I.C. to participate when there are so many other opportunities for them to get/share information and occupy their time and brains. I&#8217;m thinking that whoever is willing to empower citizens the most is going to win in this sort of enterprise. Coincidentally, I posted some questions about this concept just a few hours ago.</p>
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		<title>By: ledgerkj</title>
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		<dc:creator>ledgerkj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without getting into the merits, because I work for GateHouse, I can&#039;t resist pointing out that a blogger ought to be able to come up with a reference that&#039;s at least from the 20th century. Walter is a cliche and he&#039;s been dead for 33 years. NOT HIP! (That should really hurt. I&#039;m old enough to have read Lippman when he was alive.)

Ken Johnson
Online editor
The Patriot Ledger, Quincy, Mass.
The Enterprise, Brockton, Mass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without getting into the merits, because I work for GateHouse, I can&#8217;t resist pointing out that a blogger ought to be able to come up with a reference that&#8217;s at least from the 20th century. Walter is a cliche and he&#8217;s been dead for 33 years. NOT HIP! (That should really hurt. I&#8217;m old enough to have read Lippman when he was alive.)</p>
<p>Ken Johnson<br />
Online editor<br />
The Patriot Ledger, Quincy, Mass.<br />
The Enterprise, Brockton, Mass.</p>
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